"Never again shall you thirst, for I am come to wet your mouth with wine and water, to quench your thirst with kisses. Words of Love from my own lips will serve as your oasis, and you shall never want for drink again."
“actors aren’t allowed to pretend to be their characters outside the official show” meanwhile kim rhodes is producing jody milf content every single day on tiktok
cw executives getting a call at 6pm on a friday evening bc someone made deancas canon again
cw executives getting called in on 9pm on a saturday night because someone made destiel canon for the second time in two days
cw executives being called to a meeting on a sunday because the gays have reclaimed the narrative of supernatural and now dean and cas are getting gay married at harvelle’s roadhouse on valentines day
cw executives getting stopped on their way out the door on a tuesday evening because misha collins revealed on his cameo app that he has a sniper trained on him at all times and the twitter stans are about to get #thecwhatesgays trending
Okay so here’s what’s going on with Sera Gamble. She tweeted this:
The thread is notably by Kira Snyder, a writer and producer from The 100.
It’s literally a ton of reasons why a show’s script would need to be changed last minute, including several reasons that are part of the “conspiracy” of destielgate…..
so the question is, did Sera not read the thread and/or doesn’t understand the “conspiracy theories” and was trying to debunk it? OR was she actually confirming that the so-called conspiracy is definitely known and common network fuckery JUST AS WE’VE BEEN SAYING?
Here’s the rest of the thread:
Whatever her intention, Sera’s basically just confirmed that the network meddled in the end of spn 😈
The CW has deleted all Supernatural videos from their YouTube account. All of them. Good luck trying to get us to forget your bigotry, kings.
Literally cannot wrap my head around a way to rationalize this from a business perspective. If they were getting bad comments, they could’ve turned comments off. They don’t usually remove content for other old shows, and yet they removed these. YouTube is free real estate, those videos were likely monetized, and the show ended about a month ago.
I cannot come up with a single viable explanation for why they did this other than ???? they don’t want us remembering how they promoted stuff??? Which begs the question: what from the trailers is so damning?
(I can think of a couple things. But it is all speculation)
UPDATE: they are, apparently, removing videos of other successful shows too such as (seemingly) The 100, Arrow, The Originals, and Riverdale(which is the weirdest choice of all seeing as it’s an active show). Again, super strange because those videos being up and streamable is basically free money. If they get views, they get money. From a business perspective it makes no sense. And the videos are private and accessible to the public, not deleted, it seems.
(Them: We will simply remove our own content. Can’t talk about our mistakes if they aren’t there to check. Checkmate.)
So… who the fuck knows what’s going on. Possibly they’re checking the videos (???) and will put them back up. Possibly they’re removing our collective avenue for pointing to their long history of bullshit. Possibly they were hacked. Possibly we simply are in an eternal hell of endless questions and cannot deduce the meaning of a corporation’s actions no matter how hard we try.
I made a post about this a while back, but I used to work for the agency that managed their YouTube channels and just want to confirm this is NOT a conspiracy / big shutdown / hack. It’s 100% just horrible business management.
All of the CW’s video content has different licensing / rights contracts, so content will usually “sunset” or expire after a certain date. Sometimes it can only be up a week, sometime a year, sometimes indefinitely (their comic-con trailers are usually ones they fight to keep up). If they want to keep it up longer, they often have to pay more upfront to extend that licensing.
Part of our job as channel managers was setting the videos to go Public and Private far in advance. We rarely ever delete videos, because we need the numbers for analytical reports and because rights / permissions sometimes change. This happens on the CW Seed channel ALL the time; videos there go Public-Private and back again all the time because the CW Seed app loses and regains rights to shows all the time.
Sidenote: if I remember right, a lot of their Promo content doesn’t run ads (especially the smaller teasers) so there is less money to be made there too.
Should this content be up anyways? 100%. There are actually SOOOO many sources of revenue the CW doesn’t utilize. One service my job offered but they never paid for was Content Takedowns. Those meant we could either 1) find re-uploaded clips and take them down or 2) find re-uploaded clips and keep them up, but run ads on them and have revenue go back to The CW. The second option sounds like a real moneymaker, right? Unfortunately the CW are MAJOR cheapskates and didn’t want to pay for the service (the upfront cost is a lil steep) despite how many case studies we gave them on how it’d make them more money in the long run lol.
We also offered a service that makes compilations and custom video content that they never utilized. The main reason was we could only use content from the most recent season, and the video would go down once their content rights for that season expired. So instead of a “Funniest Dean Winchester Moments” compilation we could only make a “Funniest Dean Moments from Season 15”.
The CW could be fighting for much better content ownership, but they don’t care. It’s the same reason why they only use their socials to post episode stills and trailers: the CW network as a whole is all about doing the bare minimum despite the fact they have some of the most engaged social media fandoms. They’re content with being the medicore, C-Tier network and truly believe they’re saving money. You look at networks like HBO and Netflix, who invest so much into their shows and marketing and talent, and the difference is jarring.
TLDR;
- The CW are penny pinchers who don’t care about their marketing and definitely won’t pay for the rights to keep content up.
- Seriously, besides maybe full episodes upload as many CW clips and edits to YouTube as you want. What are they gonna do about it?
idk I guess I'm at the point where seeing people say "there are better ways to do these things" just makes me very tired. okay? so what are the better ways? who is putting together those projects to do so? donating to charities is great; but the Clexa fandom did the same thing after the CW killed off Lexa, and we still had an implicit byg moment with Cas. nothing was learned. all we've done is maintain the status quo. so what's the point? what's the point.
when i talk about a better way, i’m not talking about sticking solely with methods that are quiet or that could fly under the radar like fundraisers. of course, we’ve got to be loud to some extent, we’ve got to get people to notice what’s going on, and we’ve got to rally support to make it clear that our voice matters and that our opinion matters and that what happened to us was wrong, in a way that no one who opposes us could spin it a different way.
but it’s also about having the right message. we want better queer rep? then we need to make our efforts about that. we need to highlight it across the board, across all the shows that are tied to their particular network and show the systemic nature of how this network silences queer voices. we need to point to the stories themselves, the way that they’re told, and the way that they end, to form a critique that is both cohesive and all-encompassing.
I am also feeling the fatigue so I think this is probably one of the last things I post about this, but it’s also very easy to organize in meaningful ways that will be noticed without confusing our message! I give you: the Sense8 finale protest. This is a link to their website, but it very clearly details what the goal of protesting is and what they want. There are action items there.
I know I keep banging the same pots and pans but yelling better rep and not telling the network how to do that is going to be ineffective. We can’t tell the people doing the bad thing to do better and expect them to know how to fix their own behaviour. So as an actual plan we:
Come up with a list of items we’re asking for. Things that are actionable, not nebulous. Example may include: ensuring sensitivity readers read over scripts with queer, BIPOC content when not own-voices writers (the publishing industry does this a lot); demanding the implementation of a hiring initiative that hires X queer/BIPOC writers, X queer/BIPOC producers, X queer/BIPOC directors, X queer/BIPOC showrunners. Stuff like that.
Then we make a super nice website like the one linked above (inclusive of alllll CW shows with this issue). We slap our demands on there in addition to a page that lists are the queer and BIPOC rep at the network. We highlight examples of bad rep, and we use the very few cases of good rep to demonstrate what we want more of.
On this very same website we have a subscription list so everyone who wants to join the movement can. We send emails out with what we’ll be doing to protest, etc. a little while before they happen.
We link to a single, official petition on this website.
We provide a schedule of past protests and what we’re currently doing to protest. So like, we might post on there saying “we’re trending this tweet tomorrow!”, etc. Examples of protest: sending proof of subscription cancellations, letter writing campaigns, trending hashtags… I would honestly print out actual published scholarship that directly links the BYG trope, queerbaiting and queer censorship to their network (it exists!) and send it to their offices in bulk, but I’m petty like that.
At no point do we derail from this message of queer rep, at no point do we make this exclusively about Supernatural, at no point do we bring in other networks and studios. No Star Wars, no MCU… I know that sucks, but we need to be totally and completely focused on this one network and their approach to storytelling. If we’re loud enough, everyone else will notice.
Sorry for jumping on your post, but everyone who keeps asking how we do this without focusing on deancas… this is a potential way!
It seems like I’m gonna have to attract y’all’s attention again to the fact that we learned via Guillermo Rojas (Dean’s Spanish dubbed) that the spanish dub has been approved by WB studio, that they did NOT asked for the scene to be re-dubbed, which therefore confirms that this wasn’t a translator or a director going rogue, but a storyline being wilingly silenced.
If I see one more “haha the rogue translator made Destiel go canon again” I’m going to light myself on fire.
POV: It’s June 1. Destiel has gone canon eight times. Misha Collins has deactivated his Twitter for unknown reasons after he retweeted fanart of dean and cas living together in heaven. Adam Williams has released graphic original destiel smut, but not in a gay way. Jared Padalecki’s new show Walker has included several episodes where the cowboy man goes and kills gays. You open your phone. You have a notification from Instagram. “Jensen Ackles just posted for the first time in a while.” You open Instagram. There, in very poor quality, is unedited footage of the 15x18 confession. Dean and Cas kiss, and Dean whispers that he loves Cas too. The caption is two words: “Happy pride.”
fuck, do you go sit sometimes and think that we’re actually gonna get some closure this year… like all this frustration about Dean and Cas becoming canon is gonna end this year… whether positively or not… it.is.going.to.end. no more over-analysing of their scenes, dialogues, micro-expressions… no more new content for the mounting pile of evidence… sure, it may end up as a huge slap in the face, but it is going to end. fuck… it’s gonna end. i mean, it’s been years of them playing around the line, keeping us on our toes… but all the frustration is going to be over soon… and we’ll finally be able to pick the pieces for what their truly are… no more guessing or hoping… Like, this perpetual feeling of great potential will be over, whether it’ll get realised or not. we’ll get closure at last
This is the curse of Supernatural. Once you are a part of it, you can NEVER leave.
Regarding that post of crossroadscastiel’s that I just reblogged, I have a little exercise that people can do if they want to see for themselves what signs and symbols can mean within the greater story.
Get ahold of the movie “I Am Legend” with Will Smith. Make sure you have access to both of the endings. First watch the ending that was released in the theaters. Pay attention to all the images and mentions of butterflies throughout the film. When you get to the end of the film, what do you think the butterflies mean? Kind of nothing, right? Maybe they imply hope if you really stretch it. But basically, they’re just weird repeating symbols all throughout the film without ever making sense in the end.
Next, watch it again with the alternate ending. The one that I’m pretty sure was intended by the makers of the film all along but the studio thought audiences wouldn’t like it. Now what do you think all the butterflies mean? Oh! The butterflies are a hint to the ultimate message of the film. A huge change has taken place. A metamorphosis or evolutionary step sped along by the scientific efforts of humans. It turns out the protagonist may have been doing really bad things the whole time in the name of saving everyone. He’s been trying to make all the butterflies turn back into caterpillars instead of recognizing that perhaps there is some merit in being a butterfly.
So, while each individual is free to decide which version they like best, it seems pretty clear that all those butterflies meant something to the people who put them all in the film. In the theater ending they just seem odd. But in the alternate ending they make perfect sense.
The question then for any movie or tv show is which ending are you going to get? The one made to please the greatest amount of people and make the most money? Or the one that all the signs and symbols lead to?
With a story that has had as many people telling it as SPN has, there are certainly more than two possible endings. Some signs and symbols may have had meaning when they were placed in the story, but years later as the ending gets pushed further and further out their meaning got obscured or left behind. New signs and symbols get introduced by new story tellers and they lead to different possible endings. Sometimes they only become obvious in hindsight. And sometimes they only become obvious if the ending they were pointing to was the one you got. If you got a different ending, that doesn’t mean those signs and symbols never meant anything at all.
now where else will you get a visual effects guy validating a gay ship while being homophobic and biphobic to himself and the spanish dub actor confirming his director very casually added a reciprocation of love between two main characters because it only made sense in the span of 24 hours. weeks after the show’s ended. supernatural is the ONLY show
okay but in what scenario would jensen be allowed to ad-lib in reciprocation and have that ad-lib stay through multiple iterations of the episodes before it was ultimately edited out. like that changes the entire context of the scene. it’s not a quick joke bit or even something like a face touch. i can buy him doing it in-the-moment in one take, maybe, but i don’t understand how that take would ever get used in any semi-official cut of the episode.
and we’ve seen most of the script for that scene so we know there wasn’t a me too.
but also i cannot understand how a “rogue translator” could’ve gotten away with changing the entire context of the scene either.
INTERVIEWER “Do you know if Supernatural has a quality review for the dubbing through Warner Bros?”
MEMO: “I would be lying to you if I said yes, but I have been working for WB (LatAM) for many years as both an actor and director. And there is some specific material where they do have “filters”, but with something like supernatural I doubt it. I would assume the one left in charge of all decisions was our director (Fogarty).”
so it doesn’t sound like it would be all that difficult for the “rogue” translator-slash-director to “get away” with making an artistic choice here
